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Yes, I'm going to bitch about RP!Secrets now. Watch me fail.

I'm beginning to wonder if people who lurk games, or even lurk comms like Dear_Mun ever take in to account that playing in a game means that the character isn't going to stay the same forever. I mean, that would be boring, wouldn't it?

Obviously, there's a certain level of ICness that needs to remain. There are things a character wouldn't ever do, or always does, that likely won't change even over the course of life changing events. But that's just it! Character relations, plots, events, major incidents and accidents and whathaveyou. They HAPPEN. Just as in real life, things happen, they meet new people, they grow, they change. Sure some of the underlining characteristics of a person never just up and go away, but life adds on the many complex layers that make a person. Eventually the character you're playing isn't the one of the canon you pulled them from, but your own variation of them, because things that happen in RP games could never logically happen in their own canon.

Saying this now, I'm probably going to get called out at some point on Greg's OOCness as of late, but I suppose if anyone does I'll just ignore it. I mean, clearly if some one is complaining about a long running game that has characters that have been there upwards of two years and they're STILL complaining about OOCness then they really haven't been lurking all that well.

I suppose playing a canon character at all is... weirdly like being overweight. You don't own them. You never did, but in a sense even playing them you own them even less, because everyone has an opinion and they are completely entitled to it and heaven fucking forbid you actually try to justify yourself in any way because that's automatically 'causing wank. They're muses in your head, doing what muses want to do, and the rest of the RP community wants to get up in arms about what you do and how you do it.

This is one of those moments where I just want to take a megaphone ala Love is War, stand on a look out post and proclaim.

"HEY! RP WORLD! SHUT THE HELL UP AND PLAY!"

That is all.

PS

For the record, Dive rocks, no matter what anyone says. *hugs her wonderful RP buddies there*

PPS

The 'overweight' comment comes from a movie called Be Fat Like Me, where an overweight girl comments that being overweight is like not owning your body anymore, because everyone suddenly has the right to an opinion.

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Amen.

*bows*

Thank you.

Which secret do you mean?*blinks at post*

Ah, not regarding me, but a friend. He plays our Jinx at Digital Dive. It's not the first time he's been bashed, but sadly a lot of Divers get bashed on RP!S. People don't seem to realize we've got plot and character relations almost three years old now. The whole thing is kinda dumb, and they tend to target us via Dear_Mun posts.

I've been blasted for my Haku Yowane there. :

Ah I see. Well that sucks. I pity those people who have nothing better to do than anonymously bash people over the internet. That's really cowardly.

Absolutely.

The attack against my Haku was twice as dumb because Vocaloids don't have a set canon. Idiots. =/

Lisa (who plays Seishirou at pw) also plays him at discedo and she has been attacked at rp!s several times during the last months for him being ooc. which is really stupid as well because the canon barely gives any information about him. She thinks about dropping him now due to all those negative secrets >___< it makes me really angry!

Augh. Yeah, see, that's what I hate. That it attacks players who ARE self conscious without the attacker ever knowing, then causes them to doubt themselves. I do question myself on Haku from time to time but I was not about to drop Dive. I love it there too much.

Al (Jinx-mun) admitted this wasn't the first time, and he just kind of laughs about it. I was still angry enough about it to post this, though. Raz (Dive-head mod) requested that no one start wank over it, though. We gotta be the bigger people here.

Raz (Dive-head mod) requested that no one start wank over it, though. We gotta be the bigger people here.

Sadly, some of the players (okay ONE so far) don't fucking listen to the request of "Don't poke the anons" and went and gave a really rude and prissy reply to one of them. Which is just, arghbargble.

I'm going back to my corner now. *slinks*

WHAT?! Ohmygod... *facepalm*

I understand getting defensive about your game and your friends, but god... it just makes things more difficult!

Can I hit some one. PLEASE?!

They were called on it by a third party and... I couldn't help but reply to the third party person (who used to play at Dive as well) and so far it's been civil but like...

Really guys, really. Poking the bitches and being bitches back does not help. (In other words I agree)

And you may, only if I can help you do it. I have a bat.

Good that it's been civil so far but AUGH. Maybe its just my own modly instinct kicking in, but when people go and poke the proverbial gator in these situations I instantly want to sit the team down and play Mama Bear and tell them "Don't do it! It's bad!"

... hitting them with a bat works, too, though.

Well the person who did make the snarky reply hasn't responded back, so it could get ugly. Esp. since I made my reply unlogged in and... it wasn't very nice towards said snarky person (although it was pretty much "Goddammit stop talking for the whole game, you're being an idiot!" for a single line.) I'm torn about pointing it out to Raz cause he might get mad at me *orz*.

Hitting anyone with a bat works, always.

Even though I don't think he'd really get mad at you perse, it's best to leave him out of it. He's already got enough stress. But you tried, at least.

Yeah, and him being sick (or getting sick) isn't helping either. :\

This is the one reason why I like obscure fandoms.

/cracks knuckles

But I can get 'em for you. :|

One would think that Jinx would be obscure enough that no one would throw a fit about OOCness, but eh, whatever. One would also think the same of Vocaloids as they don't even have a canon. But, again, whatever. In that respect I'll just take people who complain about Vocaloid OOCness to be overly anal nazis.

Don't worry about it. xD; Thanks for the offer though.

This is especially applicable for:

1) Characters whose speech/action/thought patterns do not fit a norm for their age/gender/race/species(?)

and 2) Characters whose behaviors are very easily influenced by other characters.

My Littlesister!Marlene is a great example of this.

On top of being sorta-kinda brand new to RP, Marlene is a character I have never once explored. Her voice is very new (and surprisingly difficult) to me, and I'm trying really, really hard to find it. She's also an extremely complicated character. After all, the girl was genetically engineered to harvest stem cells from dead bodies and eat them. What can you expect?

For one, she's been engineered so her body doesn't age, and her mind has, in a way, left her body behind. So, just because she looks like an 8-year-old, doesn't mean she will completely act and think like one. Sure, she may "dumb down" the way she says things and thinks about things, but that doesn't change their meaning. Equivalent to maybe a 12-year-old, and despite its difficulty for her, she seeks companionship, friends, and she does want to fit in. And she's very adept at sensing even the smallest shifts in mood and atmosphere, and will figure out through conversation exactly how to manipulate it in the way she wants it. Most 8-year-olds that I know aren't that intuitive and empathetic.

On top of that, having been genetically engineered, it's very easy for characters to influence her. Especially darker characters. If they wanted her to start harvesting ADAM from people -- they can give her something that looks like her hypo, add a suggestion or two, and she'll start gunning for people's bellies. (With the mun's permission, of course.)

She's not ALWAYS going to be this static, cute little girl crawling through cupboards carrying a stuffed moogle! Sorry guys. But this is why she's a little sister.

And you're right; it is like having the shell of this wonderful idea... but not being entitled to do whatever you wanted with it despite it being your great idea. And sometimes, it really sucks.

By the way, I tracked you down via

permanent_ooc in order to figure out wtf this AIM chat is because I absolutely FAIL at the whole AIM business! Then I saw this and had to add in my 2 cents, just in case you were wondering. xD

Amen. AUs are especially difficult, and tend to get ignored on Dear_Mun anyway because a lot of people don't seem to grasp the concept, or like how an AU is played just because you're putting a character in to a whole new universe. IDK, there's a lot of gripes about it and you're absolutely right on all these points.

I guess its when people complain about canons that drive me crazy. I mean, Greg Sanders is canoncally goofy, usually fairly optimistic, likes to flirt, ect ect. Generally, a happy guy, right? But you put any person, even happy ones, through too many damn knocks they're going to start to wear thin. Especially when their loved ones are threatened/hurt/taken away from them. Yet I'm just waiting for Greg's recent breakdown to come across some one's screen and for them to start screaming CSI Blasphemy on me. *rolls eyes* Paranoiachachacha.

It's cool about the AIM thing. I honestly have no idea if its up right now. This whole fuxxor'd LJ thing had my computer crash today. I'll put it up tomorrow if its not already up.

I couldn't agree more. I decided that after our talk in the LJ maintenance blog where we met, that I would take a peek. I hope you don't mind. I don't have a personal journal yet, but if necessary, I could create one. I mostly put my personal things behind the "My Eyes Only" since I don't like to complicate things.

Ask me a question and I will answer it.

I have seen all kinds of players and there are some that take OOCness to a whole new level which is nauseating. For instance, Merik from Yugioh was made so emo by one particular player that he was nearly unrecognizable. In one entry, he dyed his hair pink and started to wear punkish clothing, but that isn't the worst part.

Imagine if you will, a pale Egyptian and turn him into a Zigfried groupie that pined constantly for the tall pink-haired German. Now, this is where things get really bad....Zigfried isn't interested and Merik goes postal which is way out of his character once the evil has been vanquished from within.

Now, like you, I do understand that a character changes and grows with the times. It's an inevitable part of life that even changes timeless monuments. Moss and age will show up. Now I'm not saying that characters grow moldy like bread atop a refrigerator, but a certain element of change does occur. It has to thus creating development.

Without development, the character does become stale and moldy and we wouldn't want that. It wouldn't taste very good, plus the smell would be terrible. Anyway, the point you made is very clear. A certain level if OOCness is crucial to bend the rules of the element that shaped the character in the first place happens when we want to push as players the boundaries of the comfort bubble.

I'll submit my application to Permanant once I'm a little more awake. I'm starting to crash hard now. Goodnight.

Of course I don't mind! I hardly friendslock 'cause I don't mind my little corner of LJ being public. Maybe I'm crazy for that, I'm not really sure. But I've gotten a lot of people who agree with this post, which makes me feel a little more vindicated in my rantings.

Also I've had this personal LJ a lot longer than I've ever been RPing on it. Godlike... 2003? I think. Six years. I feel old. :|

I'm fully aware that OOC can take a turn for the worst in certain situations. If a player lets it go on long enough and begins putting too much of themselves or their own wild ideas in to a character, it effectively stops being that character completely. There's sadly a fine line between making a character an OC of themselves, and letting a character have proper, natural development. It gets crossed all the time.

It just pisses me off that the second you step a toe in to character development, anyone who DOESN'T know you or the pup can suddenly have the right to bash you and drag you down.

and continuing on our conversation from last night...

Don't worry about the bad pun. I think we're all prone to that from time to time!

I did Ros and Guil for my final play, so I got to choose who I was being. ^^ I don't know if in the future I'd necessarily be chosen as Guildenstern, but I can certainly pull of the "A little consistency is all I ask!" level of frustration off. All in acting, of course. :P

Oh Vocaloids, how you have stolen my soul. Haku Yowane is my favorite, and I do play her at Dive (another reason I complain about attacks on OOCness - I got attacked on RP!Secrets a while back as well for Haku. Vocaloids have no canon, dumbasses. =/) and she's my other main character there. I started with her and Greg actually.

Oh and I'm bringing another CSI in to P_W. I'm apping Nick under the AU of Resident Evil. Mwahahaha. :3

And now that I have slept, I should TRY to get my blasted term paper worked on... blah.

Wow! Vindication is always a good thing. I'm so relieved. I haven't made a dicision on making a personal journal yet mostly out of the time that I normally have online isn't really enough for me to manage both accounts and plus, I'm very lazy when it comes to thinking work.

I actually keep a physical journal that I write down all my personal thoughts since I'm actually very private with them. Any "Eyes Only" posts I make are generally character interaction notes or about interactions that I had with a player that really aren't harmful if they are discovered, but they could be taken as such. I like to keep things as simple as possible and there are times that I can look back at a certain event and I can correct an issue before it occurs.

Bad puns and raisins....yum. Ha ha!

I'm really bad with Japanese names since my exposure is pretty limited, but I do like a lot of the voices. Vocaloids are so much fun because the imaginatory elements are there that would push a player into a limit of the unknown.

I saw Nick. Ha ha! Sounds like a lot of fun! I was thinking of mixing Willy and putting him into the AU of either Indian Jones or Jurassic Park.

Ugh term papers. Tell me about it. I just started back up myself. I'm getting a head start on my term. I don't like falling behind in the least. It's bad enough that I have to take Advance Kenetics. There is little written work on it and most of it is watching, recording and paying attention to details mostly for choreographical reasons.

Sorry for the delay in responding. Had a smaaaaall itty bitty family emergency, but its over now.

I can understand the desire for simplicity, but damned if I can't follow it myself. I've got my personal journal, a writing journal, all these different RPs... it gets a little insane. It's a damn good thing I don't subscribe to that nonsense they call a 'social life'.

Haku is the white-haired variation of Miku Hatsune, the official Vocaloid with green hair. Miku is equally adorable, though.

Dude. Jurassic Park, all the way and ftw. Totally.

Sorry, what's Kenetics?

Oh I hope that everything is okay. I just got done with a party gig and that was a mess and a half. *sighs* I'm just glad it's over and I can go back into my own little word.

Ha ha! Social life? What's that? *wink wink, nudge nudge*

I have only one journal and I seperate and organize everything into groups. It certainly helps me stay organized.

Thank you for the Jurassic Park Okay. I'll have to come up with a reason for him to be there, but I'm sure I'll be creative enough to come up with his reasons.

Oh Kinetics is the study of body movement and the study of body language in a stressful setting. Most people that take Sports Medicine take it to enhance their skills and how to prevent sports injuries later on. It's the same basic principle why we I'm taking it.

My step-mom has been having some terrible stomach problems for the past month. Likely an ulcer, and nothing more, but as I lost my biological mother five years ago to health complications I tend to get irrationally paranoid about unexpected trips to the hospital.

Hm. Maybe was a chef? *laughs* That's so lame.

Ohhh. I see, that makes sense now.

I'm going to school for Graphic Design! ^_^

Ooh, I certainly understand the concern. There is no need to apologize when you have a ligitimate reason to be scared out of your mind. Currently one of Silver's players is having to deal with an ill family member as well and we're all supporting her. I know she's scared and I have the feeling from what you wrote that you are too. You have my hugs.

Ha ha! That was one idea I had but I was thinking that he was there to find a new indgredient and well...he stumbled on the island....with beastly beasts bigger than the eye could see. Ha ha! He was found wandering around on camera and that's how he came to be the head chef of the facility, which explains the reason that Dr. Sandler was addicted to the ice cream.

I'm glad that I clarified it for you. You're not the first one that asked. Ha ha!

Ooh Graphic Design! My sister is going to study in that field. She really loves art and she likes designing things too.

Hey. Sorry for the delay between replies. I have been -exhausted-. Thank god its all over on Wednesday.

Anyway, I wanted to drop a line and let you know I'm still alive. Do you by any chance have a messenger service?

Yes I do. I use Gchat the most which comes standard with Gmail and I do have hotmail with Windows Live Messenger. I'll send you through PM the address of your choice with the right forwading so that way we can keep in touch.

I do completely understand your troubles with exhaustion. I have felt the effects here too so yeah, I hope that you're feeling better.

A little. I'll be better once the week is over.

Everything's pretty much under the same name for me. JeniOctavia on Gmail, AIM and MSN.

I'll add you to my Gmail contacts. Thank you for responding.

No problem!

I added you and sent the invite. Look for wily.willy.wonka.

I'm incredibly hyper today.

done and done!

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